A message from Steve Jenkins

Posted by ( Brian ) on October 29, 2008 at 8:53 am

Public schools under current law do not ask citizenship status of any child.  This is because of the Plyler vs. doe Supreme Court ruling back in 1982 in the state of Texas.  Since this ruling all public schools are required to educate each and every child that is registered.  If this ruling is ever reversed by the Supreme Court then public schools will be permitted to ask for citizenship status.  Until that happens I will defend the decision because the Supreme Court ruled so. 

The court found that denying children an education would only contribute to unemployment, use of public services such as welfare and increase the crime rate.  In other words it’s much better to educate them and help them assimilate into our society.  The court also stated that such children had little or no control of their being brought here illegally.  The court also ruled that the 14th Amendment Equal Protection Clause applied to everyone.  Individual states are prohibited from denying anyone from such protection that is within their jurisdiction. 

Senseit53 you are incorrect on the disbursement or allocation of funds based on citizenship status of children in public schools.  Public schools currently receive Federal funds based on their needs.  The Federal government does not and will not by law use citizenship status as a means of providing such funds. 
 
You say that schools should be required to ask for citizenship status so that Federal funds can be provided to school districts with higher immigration populations or needs.  The word immigration population is the key here.  It doesn’t matter whether children in those school districts are documented or not.  The Federal government still must provide funding as needed when the money is available as they currently do.  Your suggestion makes absolutely no point.  If schools in California have higher needs for ESL teachers or other needs compared to Virginia the Federal government will base such needs on the number of students that need such services.  This can be done and is currently done without knowing which children are documented or undocumented.  Asking citizenship status to receive Federal funding is a moot point.  Time to move on.

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Posted by ( Brian ) on October 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm

Sue you senseit53?  For what? Lack of understanding of state and local laws, Federal immigration laws and the Constitution?  You would be a prime candidate if the law allowed you to be sued for such.  You are a fool if you think the current real estate slump and declining housing values are because of unkempt lawns.  Take a ride through some of the new communities in Culpeper and other surrounding counties.  Lawns well kept.  Foreclosures brought on because people could not afford those homes to begin with.  I haven’t seen one “junk yard” in any of these neighborhoods.  Only well kept yards.  The foreclosures count as comps.  Now that will bring the value of all the homes in the community down. 

Federal immigration laws are enforced by Federal law enforcement.  Have you no common sense to realize that even they have severely limited resources to enforce those laws as they should?  You bet so.  I can cry all day that I want all laws enforced.  You can’t enforce them without the proper personnel.  I support and invite the Federal government to bring as many ICE agents they wish to assist local authorities.  Of course I can dream all I want to.  It simply just won’t happen.  Immigration enforcement is best left to the Federal government.  The local authorities in Culpeper work with ICE and can only get what they are provided. 

My reference to civil rights is a concern with local police.  They do not have the authority to enforce the federal immigration laws on the books.  And yes how any law enforcement officer to include federal, state and local applies those laws can determine whether or not a case is dismissed or a civil suit is filed.  Your questions have been answered.  You just don’t understand what you are being told. 

Maybe LawMan should run against Steve Jenkins.  I’d vote for him based what he has showed me by his posts that he understands the law, how to apply it and is concerned for the rights of everyone.  Can you say that about Steve Jenkins?

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Posted by ( senseit53 ) on October 28, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Brian,“Do you really think property values decreasing are the fault of illegal aliens?“ YES, when properties looks like junk yards, houses overcrowded in constant violation of local ordinances, yes property values DO go down! BTW, bring in the crooked mortgage bankers too…but we’d have to bring in about every member of congress as accomplices.
“ESL classes are not draining our schools the way you claim”? First off, I DID NOT claim that! In fact, should you actually choose to read what I said, “I’m not advocating removing that funding” proves the opposite. But suggesting that forcing teachers to take additional training, hiring interpreters and the general distraction in the classroom does NOT detract from the education of our children is an ill conceived notion. What I see as better allocation of resources, you see as “hate”??
“What they don’t want is enforcing laws in ways that violate their constitutional rights.“ What you, with all your knowledge of law, still have failed to identify is how constitutional rights are violated by fair, proper execution of current immigration law? I’ve posed this question several times before in this forum and no-one can answer.
Finally, I’ve no “hidden agenda”. I do have personal motives however. I’ve seen the stagnation in wages over the last 15 yrs even during the housing boom. Friends and colleagues who’s entry level positions remain nearly the same wage. Little to no benefits offered because illegals would work without. And it’s not just in construction. They drive down wages in every industry they invade, so yea, I’ve got a personal motive. Sue me.

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Posted by ( copper ) on October 28, 2008 at 12:48 pm

Don’t worry Lawman, I’m sticking to plumbing, I couldn’t live on a cops salary. But I do know that you need counciling for your anger issues and hatred of Steve Jenkins. You still have not produced one fact of one crime or one fact of any wrongdoing on Steve’s part, but you continue to run your mouth about him. I’m still waiting for some facts, what have you to say? Since you are all knowing why don’t you run for Council against him since you think everyone agrees with you. What say YOU?

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Posted by ( Brian ) on October 28, 2008 at 11:48 am

I am borderline vicious senseit53?  I’d say I am really hitting a good nerve.  I can back what I say.  Can you?  The facts are not twisted other than by yourself.  You seem to have mastered that quite well.  What you have said are in black in white and very easy to understand.  Do you really think property values decreasing are the fault of illegal aliens?  Don’t forget about all the greed and the dishonest mortgage brokers that gave loans to people that would not qualify.  I say we should bring them all in and make them answer to their crimes.  All you care to do is blame everything on illegal immigration.  We would still be in financial difficulty in this country without them. 

Are you hateful?  You can be.  You surely are angry.  If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.  I find it intersting that you still have no concern for Americans losing their jobs to outsourcing.  I guess that’s fine with you for the man who can’t feed his family and is forced out onto the street after being evicted.  It might not be a criminal offense but it disturbs me when I read about how this is happening in our great country. 

Yes some of your comments are racist and ring with prejudice.  Deny it all you want. 

ESL classes are not draining our schools the way you claim.  Schools currently receive less funding due to the economy.  A majority of governments both state and local are feeling the heat.  Sorry but I just don’t buy your excuse to shift funds to populations with larger populations of immigrants.  Help Save Manassas and other groups named like them don’t have that on their agenda.  I heard the opposite when I attended several meetings held by them. 

You have no leg to stand on copper with your statement of LawMan not arresting illegal aliens.  His posts are quite the opposite.  It is you that just can’t accept that he stands for obeying the law.  God help us when police decide to say “the heck with the Constitution” when they do their job.  I truly commend him for what he says.  Many cops would take the law into their own hands and stretch the truth and the facts.  I have put many police officers on the stand and won many cases.  I accomplished this because I was able to prove that the officer on the stand had little or no credibility from their testimony.  We cannnot allow such behavior.  Would you want to be arrested without probable?  I don’t want you to.

Senseit53 the majority of citizens want laws enforced.  What they don’t want is enforcing laws in ways that violate their constitutional rights.  That is where you are lacking in comprehension of what the people truly want.  You have your own personal motives and hidden agenda.  Ignorance is ignorance whether you care to believe it or not.  I understand the law and how to use it much more than you ever will.

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