A double standard: Illegals and skaters

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Brian Bell
Published: July 13, 2008

Does anyone find it strange that illegals can live in our town, demand everything our tax dollars can afford them, and give back nothing ... without any conditions?

Yet our own children are given a condition: If they can’t wear a bike helmet, then our town (aka your tax dollars) will not be fixing a bike/skateboard ramp at the park for them.

How about this: Give the people who pay taxes and put you people in office what they want. Let the ones who don’t pay taxes use that extra money to help pay for such things as birthing children, health care, medications, road repairs and the new bike/skateboard ramps.

And you wonder why the people want to merge the town and county governments.

Brian Bell
Culpeper

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Posted by ( Opa ) on July 25, 2008 at 8:52 pm

Ms. Rogers (rogersk), since 07/15/08, despite my mindful civility, you have repeatedly, without any warrant or justification, continuously attacked me personally in what I consider, based on the written record of all exchanges herein, to be a peculiarly vile manner.  As an educated, caring senior citizen of our community, I have endeavored to share my acquired knowledge and wisdom hoping to benefit our community.  I believe it to be a duty. Without fail or justification you have raved against me personally. You’ve said nothing meaningful except “someday someone is going to deflate” me and that then, I’ll “lie in a crumpled heap”. Then you wrote “i;m just getting started, so look out!!!!!” Now those are interesting and very disturbing statements given all you’ve previously written. You do worry me, Ms. Rogers. Yes, you truly do. Rest assured, my moral values were well taught and upheld. Have a very nice day.

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Posted by ( rogersk ) on July 25, 2008 at 7:29 pm

yes, Opa.. I have something of importance to say,  Can you think of any thing to say for yourself and not have to constantly quote me?  that’s all I’ve seen from you recently.  I’m glad I can contribute to your thoughts as apparently you can’t think for yourself.  As I said, NOT AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT!!!!!!

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Posted by ( rogersk ) on July 25, 2008 at 5:37 pm

OK Brian…I said I wouldn’t do this again, but I have received your latest comments by email even though it hasn’t been posted yet and I feel compelled to reply.  Don’t you dare patronize me you little, misogynist twit.  You can profess your law degree and education all you want but where I live lawyers are on every street corner and are a dIme a dozen One along every ten minutes.  I don’t care what arguments you may put forth.illegals are a huge drain on the people of this country and we are all paying through the nose to take care of them.  I never thought when I became an adult I would be required to support a bunch of lawbreakers, leeches, and bums.  I support everything I have said before.  You may put forth yours and OPA’s unreaonable remarks but the fact remains that you are wrong, wrong, wrong, in your so called “facts and figures”, senseit, R.L., and I have proven you as misinformed and again, I say, just plain wrong.  They have called you on it, as have I, and in your persistance to prove your point you have only confirmed your ignorance of the real facts.  So, to you and OPA, I would suggest that you both go to Texas, Arizona,New Mexico, and California and do your very best to try to solve this problem and believe me, Little boy, illegal aliens in this country are a problem, whether you all want to admit it or not!!! Also, no one said that R.L. tried to bribe anyone only that he had to bribe officials in order to retrieve his equipment.  Just another miquote.

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Posted by ( rogersk ) on July 25, 2008 at 9:39 am

As an addendum to my last post:  Opa terms himself a “Jeffersonian Conservative”..  Just google this and see what comes up.  Opa is ATTEMPTING to align himself with Thomas Jefferson but, in actuality, is aligning himself with George Allen, who recently allowed his mouth to overload his derriere.  Isn’t this what OPA does so competently?  Where is George Allen today?  Thank you for listening.

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Posted by ( R.L. ) on July 25, 2008 at 5:43 am

Opa.  You know less than nothing about green cards and the amount of visa’s that are issued by this country.  I had to pay bribes to an official of the country I was working in to get my equipment.  It was split between the government, because they are going to get their cut and the thief that took it, so please don’t split hairs with me.  Do yourself a favor and start checking what happens to people when they go to a country without the proper paperwork anywhere but the third world before you start with your verbal insinuations.  As I said at firs, you know nothing and are not worth the time it takes to reply on this issue.

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Posted by ( makofshrmn ) on July 24, 2008 at 7:41 pm

I’m typically confused by all the legal speak, but I still ain’t seeing it being illegal.

I agree with Opa on something, I don’t and would advise all reading this to not make administering the finger a practice because while it will most likely be overturned, it could unnecessarily cost you time and money.

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Posted by ( senseit53 ) on July 24, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Opa, you not only don’t “carefully “listen to” and consider whatever is being said by everyone” you don’t even carefully listen to what you say yourself!! You regularly misqote people, and even misqoted yourself in regards to your previous misquotes. I know it’s confusing, but I suggest that is your tactic. To confuse, misquote, misrepresent, misinform and flat out lie about everything regarding illegal aliens until people just give up and stop looking at the major “problem”. That problem cost’s the US billions of $$/yr in education, health care and in our judicial system. Despite the FACT that I and others have presented clear and obvious truths about these costs, you continue to argue for illegals, all the while claiming that you don’t argue for them!?! You are a ridiculous fool, who’s arrogance and even piety is sickening to us mortals who have to deal with the decreased wages, under achieving schools and lost tax dollars due to this MASSIVE ILLEGAL INVASION into our soveriegn nation. You quibble over the minorest of issues, all the while attempting to avoid the larger issues that 12-20 mil. people have violated our border, refuse to obey our laws, cost us $billions. You, Brian and others focus on the idea, that civil crime is less important than “violent crime”. While a case for that COULD (but why would you?) be made, the fact remains that I and many others don’t agree with seat belt laws. However, you don’t see us crying “Yes we can”(Si se pueda) when stopped by police. Nor do we complain that since we were driving BEFORE the law was passed, then that law doesn’t apply to us. Which is the equivalent of illegals claiming they lived here before and therefore our laws don’t apply to them. That belief is why they BLATANTLY disobey our immmigration laws. And that FACT is proof that ILLEGALS are NOT 5X’s more law-abiding as you ridiculously claim. Your misquotes were caught by me and others, your twisting and misrepresenting the FACTS have similiarly proven you to be an unworthy source of information. Your pompous airs only impress your groupies.(lawman,Brian and Pat) Your 12:13 post, “Our current immigration laws do not permit them to “do it” legally.“ is refuted by INS statistics that factually state we allow over 2 mil/yr to “do it” legally. Further, the 55,000 green card “lottery” you cited is just a fraction of the 1.6 mil that were issued JUST in 2006. More twising, misrepresenting and lying…and for what…to aid illegals? Couldn’t that energy be better used to help LEGALS? Mayhaps even lawman’s 13 child alleged welfare abuser?? C’mon dude, show some loyalty to Americans for a change!!

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Posted by ( makofshrmn ) on July 24, 2008 at 7:22 pm

As for 415, I can see where it can be loosely applied because of the word annoyance.  It is annoying to receive the middle finger.  However reading further because it was mentioned, in section A it states “having a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person or persons at whom, individually, such conduct is directed.“  I would bet that statistics from the general population would show that the majority of the time someone gets the middle finger, they just give it right back and do not get violent.  I can’t say definitely that statistics would show this, but based upon previous experience in delivering and receiving the finger, I’ve never become violent nor those who received mine.  I doubt this sampling is far from normal.  So, if the statistics did show this, then normal reaction to receiving the middle finger would TEND to be non-violent.  If it TENDs to return a non-violent reaction, how can it meet the requirement of having a “direct tendency to cause acts of violence?“

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Posted by ( makofshrmn ) on July 24, 2008 at 7:02 pm

Opa, lets look at 416 first because it’s the easier one to dispute.  I see where it can be applied because it is a form of language being sign language after all.  However, code 416 has the stipulation of “under circumstances reasonably calculated to provoke a breach of peace.“  A person would have to flip someone off knowing that by doing so they would anger the other person enough to make them breach the peace.  Normally it’s just a split second reaction with no forethought and you typically don’t know the person.  So, I would love to see someone prove in court that you flipped the finger with the intent to have someone breach the peace.  That’s a pretty tall order.

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Posted by ( makofshrmn ) on July 24, 2008 at 6:33 pm

Normally I wouldn’t question an attorney, because I’m not one.  I’m just a lowly computer guy who wants to be a fisherman.  However, I had to because of one disturbing thought.  If it is illegal, why does it get over turned time and time again?
I read the codes that were sited and based upon what I saw in the code, the disorderly conduct or abusive language application must meet the requirement of potentially causing violence or a breach of the peace.

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